What is unusual about this story is that it has some publicity. There is anecdote, but not research about the number of suicides linked to care proceedings.
It later emerged Mrs Bell feared her younger children, aged from nine to 15, would be taken away after she was arrested for an alleged assault. In her note she said she loved them all and would never forget them.
It later emerged Mrs Bell feared her younger children, aged from nine to 15, would be taken away after she was arrested for an alleged assault. In her note she said she loved them all and would never forget them.
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I think if more could be found out about the numbers of people who commit suicide after losing their children then it would shame the government into change if exposed in the media.
There is also the issue of social services forcing women to have adoptions with the threat of removal of their baby if they don't comply.
Also women who have social services intervention in their pregnancy tend not to fare well. They usually go into labour early and need an emergency assistance as baby gets into difficulites.
Also research says that stress in pregnancy is the primary cause of stillborn babies.
Maybe it is best to leave this to the inquest to determine and hope that the findings will influence the relevant people. Inquest results are public.
There is also not guaranteed to be an inquest.
If you actually had been involved with social services you would realise how threats can easily turn into care proceedings. In my case it was said my case should never have gone to court.After a traumatic court ordeal The LA wrote to say my parenting was of a high standard!!
So dont just assume that this lady had nothing to fear.
Speculation, it is obvious to any twit as to why she took her life & why the children have no mother.
“It is equally likely that she had been influenced by media rumours of children being removed without cause than an actual threat.”
It is equally likely many parents lose their children through propaganda churned out on social services via their leaflets, one liners by social services in those media stories & by sympathisers of social services who may or may not actually know what they are sympathising with, or in some circumstances by people defending social services blindly.
”Maybe it is best to leave this to the inquest to determine and hope that the findings will influence the relevant people. Inquest results are public.”
After the inquest, it would be a surprise to me if relevant people were influenced.
Everyone is entitled to their point of view without one person trying to stifle this.
Debate is good and healthy and the more stories like this are exposed,the more we can work to stop this kind of thing happening in the future.
You do tend to contradict yourself;
You posted a “claim” then you were directly asked for evidence to back that claim up by John, you then failed to give any further explanation or evidence, only to go on to claim “one” should not speculate, do you not see the problem here? You were already speculating.
With regard to your above quote;
There are quotes directly from her son in the story & you claim there is no evidence, do you seriously expect people to believe that the story & the comments by the son are false & that the paper is totally falsifying the story to some how harm the reputation of the aptly named SS?
Dancing Queen I remember you as the social worker on fassit that defended SS to the hilt.
This is just the latest victim of a social services that induces fear and loathing in the public. There are very few people that view social services as a caring,helpful service to families and children now.
I think it is clear that from her note why this lady was scared.Some social workers are very scary individuals with too much power.
Again you can’t claim the above with no proof, it is just your opinion. You have not seen the people the paper interviewed until you do, or until the story becomes bigger & more information is available then all you have is the story, a story that on the face of it paints a very bad picture for the SS system.
“He simply says she was scared. .”
Of course, he does, nobody claimed otherwise.
“I agree with Watchdog. This is a very sad story and we cannotknow yet why this lady was so distraught as to take her own life. .”
But I am sure you would agree we have a good indication.
At least if there is an inquest it will be in a court that is not private nor secret.
"I'm just saying that I agree that their portayal in the media may have frightened this woman, rather than any actual threat."
Speculating? would you like a large squirt of cream with that?
The real truth of the unaacountable bullies who work for SS.
Ive already told you I went through care proceedings after 3 weeks of respite and was told afterwards it should never have gone to court.
The threat is very real. Do you really think after after an assault with a knife that social services would just leave this woman alone?
Perhaps its time you actually spoke to families that have been under social services instead of speculating that the public has nothing to fear from these little hitlers.
If you are not a social worker why are you on here defending SS when you obviously have never used the service.
I dont believe you or watchdog would keep coming back to this story if you werent connected to the child protection system in some way.
Its not speculation it is reporting what was in the poor womans note that she left. Obviously the paper is not going to make up something as tragic as that.
I had no idea Watchdog was your wife John.
Nice to hear from you too Christine.