Thursday, March 24, 2005
Various PJP Arrests
All we know is that a number of PJP Activists have been arrested. What we cannot understand is that if they had all the warrants on Tuesday when all the people were in court they had to wait until 7.30am this morning. They could have gone to the court and arrested all of them in one go.
It appears to be that the police have gone around to witnesses for the Election Court. The witnesses have been asked by the police whether they have signed statements. A few have then been frightened by this so that they have denied signing the original statements and signed further statements to this effect. When you compare the statements they normally end up having the same signature. The end result is that the police are claiming that the original statements may be perjury which is absurd generically on the basis that the witnesses could have been called into court had the respondents been bothered. I am told that one witnesses grandson signed on behalf of her.
All this really shows is how easily people get frightened in these areas.
Interestingly it appears that Labour's new line on the Election Courts is that if they had lost they would have raised an election petition - pull the other one. posted by John Hemming ¶ 8:38 pm
It appears to be that the police have gone around to witnesses for the Election Court. The witnesses have been asked by the police whether they have signed statements. A few have then been frightened by this so that they have denied signing the original statements and signed further statements to this effect. When you compare the statements they normally end up having the same signature. The end result is that the police are claiming that the original statements may be perjury which is absurd generically on the basis that the witnesses could have been called into court had the respondents been bothered. I am told that one witnesses grandson signed on behalf of her.
All this really shows is how easily people get frightened in these areas.
Interestingly it appears that Labour's new line on the Election Courts is that if they had lost they would have raised an election petition - pull the other one. posted by John Hemming ¶ 8:38 pm
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So... were the witnesses frightened by the police... or were they intimidated into making statements, or the statements were false in the first place. JH's attitude to these things is that if it doesn't fit his jig-saw puzzle, he bends the piece until it does.
The point I made was that all it shows is that people are frightened. I haven't checked the details of the situation myself yet. The most reliable evidence is that of the police witnesses and handwriting expert. All other witnesses tend to be partisan one way or the other.
You actually state that the witnesses have been frightened by the police inquiries and have denied making the original statements.
Have West Mids Police joined the Labour Party and senior council officers on your list of co-conspirators? I'm waiting for Dan Brown to write the book.
Have West Mids Police joined the Labour Party and senior council officers on your list of co-conspirators? I'm waiting for Dan Brown to write the book.
Firstly I have not seen the documentation relating to this and have only talked to the solicitor involved. There may be more than I am aware of.
My understanding is that some of the statements taken by the police (which cover a minority of the statements in the court in any event) are where the witness claims not to have made a statement and then signs it with the same signature as on the original statement.
Now if the witness was claiming that they had been originally intimidated then it would stack up. However, that (from what I have been told on the phone) is not the case.
People in Bordesley are quite scared at the moment. When TV crews go there only about 10% of people will actually talk to them.
Given that most of the witnesses were identified by the fact that the signature on the DoI did not match the application the fact that there was some fraud in either the application or casting of the vote is clear.
I am expecting to look in more detail into this over the weekend.
To quote the original post:
"All this really shows is how easily people get frightened in these areas."
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My understanding is that some of the statements taken by the police (which cover a minority of the statements in the court in any event) are where the witness claims not to have made a statement and then signs it with the same signature as on the original statement.
Now if the witness was claiming that they had been originally intimidated then it would stack up. However, that (from what I have been told on the phone) is not the case.
People in Bordesley are quite scared at the moment. When TV crews go there only about 10% of people will actually talk to them.
Given that most of the witnesses were identified by the fact that the signature on the DoI did not match the application the fact that there was some fraud in either the application or casting of the vote is clear.
I am expecting to look in more detail into this over the weekend.
To quote the original post:
"All this really shows is how easily people get frightened in these areas."
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