During this interview she says (in response to a question about whether or not the UK government is likely to apologise in the future for the damage done to families today) "I would not be surprised if a future generation looks back and thinks how horrific the quality of our work was and the damage that we did to families."
I have put this to her and she wishes to ensure that this is seen within the context of improving services in places like Hackney. She said:
"I made this comment in the context of expressing a hope that we shall learn a lot more about how to help parents take good care of their children so that we then will look back on today and think how poor our work was. Taken out of context, it could be very misleading.
Like you, I want to see improvements in child protection services and I am hearing of some authorities making reforms that are getting some positive feedback from families. Hackney for example, now removes far fewer children than it did by helping to strengthen families."
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